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Do Videogames Cause Violent Behavior?

Do videogames cause violent behavior?
In 8th or 9th grade, ages ago it seems, I wrote a paper on videogames and whether or not they cause violent behaviour. Do violent games really make us more aggressive?
There are a lot of people that can be listed on the negative scale in this question. Concerned parents, certain politicians, some scientists, etc. These people will argue that the younger generation is growing up learning that violence is okay. However, as far as I know there isn't any legitimate evidence that this is the case. In order to fail to make the distinction between beating someone with a bat on screen and doing so in real life (a scenario which has happened in real life), one must suffer from a mental state even before starting to play any videogames at all.
As an example, think of school shootings. These have frequently been blamed on videogames. But do you really think the killers were perfectly fine before they started to play videogames? And if they were, wouldn't it be more likely that the cause of the problem would lie outside the world of gaming?
While there are some studies that do point towards increased violent tendencies among those who play violent videogames, there aren't really any - to my knowledge - that prove the actual violence in the games to be the cause. Yet this is what people tend to put the blame on: the violence seen on screen.
We see violence in the movies we watch and hear it in the music we listen to, yet it's videogames that take the heavy blow. The difference is that videogames are interactive and competitive, resulting in a stronger state of focus and an easier way to actually feel like you're a part of the game.
What I'm trying to say is that visually there isn't any major difference between for example movies and videogames, and neither can be proved to cause violent behaviour. However, a reason for videogames to be a villain in this matter is, the way I see it, the sense of competition. Even if there's less blood on screen, it's the element of competing - against the computer or other human players - that can cause a problem. We get so into it that the emotions can stick with us even after we stop playing.
Yet, in defence of videogames, it is very important to remember that competing lies within the human nature. We simply can't exist without competing against each other. And, when you look at other things involving competing against others, physical sports aren't any better. Why do you suppose those football or hockey players always seem to fight? It's a fierce, adrenaline-packed and fast-paced battle, and on that point videogames and physical sports are quite similar.
So yes, perhaps videogames do cause violent behaviour, but what I want people to remember is that it isn't the presence of violence in the games that's a problem, but rather the element of competition. And the element of competition exists everywhere, not only in videogames. Thus, it's without valid support that videogames in particular are blamed, as they're only a small part of the problem. So if you want to ban a certain videogame for its violent content, you might just as well ban the sport of ice hockey while you're at it.
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Colio-1428100791
Colio-1428100791 - 03:02pm, 18th July 2016

No. violent people cause violent behaviour. that is all I have to say on this often debated subject.

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cloud_ds-1468850540
cloud_ds-1468850540 - 03:02pm, 18th July 2016

How's this even news.

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POBmaestro-1428097466
POBmaestro-1428097466 - 03:02pm, 18th July 2016

Think before you speak. If you tried reading it you would have seen it's an article. In fact it's Jozii's column from the mag. And when has this topic ever been discussed in these forums :u17 I've never been so close to neg repping before. As always I enjoyed the read Jozii, good work.

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Colio-1428100791
Colio-1428100791 - 03:02pm, 18th July 2016

And when has this topic ever been discussed in these forums :u17 I've never been so close to neg repping before.

This topic and others like it have been discussed many times and at much length. Now you've been here a year, so its understandable that you wont have seen those. It will always be a re-occuring theme while people are not-willing to take responsibility for their actions of for those they are responsible for. The end result is always the same. no no no and no. Im actually in agreement with Cloud here. The "does video games cause violence " has been covered so many times by so media outlets, its no longer interesting. Well until the next time someone is killed and hte killer cites a videogame as cause. Then simply re-hash the previous documents, including the current date, ad infinitum.

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POBmaestro-1428097466
POBmaestro-1428097466 - 03:02pm, 18th July 2016

No thats not my main problem here. My main gripe in all this is that yet again people are being unjust on Jozii. In all the work he's gratefully done for GO, the only feedback he's had from you guys is "who are you?" and "hows that news". How is any of that constructive or useful? It just really annoys me how ignorant and naive some of the members are here. I'm just glad that at this time Jozii doesn't read the forums, or else we will could end up losing a great part of the mag.

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Colio-1428100791
Colio-1428100791 - 03:02pm, 18th July 2016

People are not always going to agree with what you write. Doesnt make your "work" less involving or less effort, nor does it undermine the effort. Heres how I view this. Someone puts a comment or an article on the board, as a member I'm entitled to pass my view on that comment (if I shouldnt be allowed, lock the damn thread). My view may or may not agree with the source article/comment. Thats what debate is all about. So there is no need to ***** about people liking/disliking your own opinions. Thats life.

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POBmaestro-1428097466
POBmaestro-1428097466 - 03:02pm, 18th July 2016

Yes and I totally agree with you, but that's not where I was going in my previous post. I wasn't refering to what you were originally saying - what you said was fine, but some people just make irrelevant one liners of no use to anyone. But I really can't be bothered to argue about it anymore as there are more important things to do, like watch Top Gear :)

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Rasher
Rasher - 03:02pm, 18th July 2016

i do agree with Pob on this behavior comes out very bad to new users at times last time Jozii did a great article he had the reply "who are you" (which pob just pointed out) i mean, just think before you post so what if its been done before? not everyone on the net today was on even a year ago, So because its been covered in the past, no one is allowed to talk about it today? this is how its coming across, just asking people to think before posting please.

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Snoozer-1428100715
Snoozer-1428100715 - 03:02pm, 18th July 2016

No1 ever seen Trep rage at LANs? lolz

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Boff-1468850541
Boff-1468850541 - 03:02pm, 18th July 2016

i had to move country due to my rages ;)

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Maggy-1428100759
Maggy-1428100759 - 03:02pm, 18th July 2016

i had to move country due to my URGES ;)

fixed

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Boff-1468850541
Boff-1468850541 - 03:02pm, 18th July 2016

lol

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Boff-1468850541
Boff-1468850541 - 03:02pm, 18th July 2016

what i find interesting is that my "gaming", as a distraction from everything else. It's my drug of choice. and currently I'm in my last 4 weeks of work, wife and kid are 800km north of me, and I'm going nuts to see them. Literally can't keep my head on track at work. The thing is. My laptop is in the shop. It's not surfing I miss, it's not programming, i get that at work. It's gamming. and my adrenal gland is going nuts. life problems got focussed into gaming, without that channel/outlet, I'm at a serious loss, where life suddenly caught up to me and asked how is it supposed to be dealt with, and even with gym/training, I just feel like I need to run faster, start doing martail arts again, hit a shooting range, get that rush of power and control again that I miss from gaming. (and it's not even a "rush" or high, it just is something that exists in the gaming world but not in reality. ) Does gameing cause violent behaviour, well if you removed the "action" from the action gamer, he apparently seeks it somewhere else i.e. if I don't get my laptop back soon, voilence may start spilling on the streets of stockholm :)

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knowyourrole-1428101071
knowyourrole-1428101071 - 03:02pm, 18th July 2016

Not to me they don't but they do cause attitude.

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cloud_ds-1468850540
cloud_ds-1468850540 - 03:02pm, 18th July 2016

No thats not my main problem here. My main gripe in all this is that yet again people are being unjust on Jozii. In all the work he's gratefully done for GO, the only feedback he's had from you guys is "who are you?" and "hows that news". How is any of that constructive or useful? It just really annoys me how ignorant and naive some of the members are here. I'm just glad that at this time Jozii doesn't read the forums, or else we will could end up losing a great part of the mag.

i do agree with Pob on this behavior comes out very bad to new users at times last time Jozii did a great article he had the reply "who are you" (which pob just pointed out) i mean, just think before you post so what if its been done before? not everyone on the net today was on even a year ago, So because its been covered in the past, no one is allowed to talk about it today? this is how its coming across, just asking people to think before posting please.

I think it's unfair to blame those who made comments too. I mean, for one I didn't know who Jozii was but at least I didn't go "Who?" :) Secondly I think it's not me that personally has a gripe with people who even begin to think that games cause violence. It's not that some people might not have read it before it's just asking for a controversial forum thread where people are probably going to argue. But having it on a gaming site, you're going to get those of us like me who think it's a load of crap. Opinions of course :) But hey, now I know who Jozii is without having to ask! Good to have people like those on board. People need to take critisism.

Think before you speak. If you tried reading it you would have seen it's an article. In fact it's Jozii's column from the mag. And when has this topic ever been discussed in these forums :u17 I've never been so close to neg repping before. As always I enjoyed the read Jozii, good work.

Oh and I did think, I find the part [b]"If you tried reading it you would have seen it's an article"[/b] quite insulting, and you have the inkling to neg rep as well? wow talk about double standards. I read it all, I agreed that it's the competition that can create a heated environment but you're going to have to be a sick ******* to get violent to begin with. This topic has been discussed before, to answer your question on if it has. As for being a column in the mag, you're asking too much of a public forum to know so or care so. My case in point, I didn't know nor should I be expected to know that it was. I haven't read the latest ones but I think it's not right to say what you did. I did not attack the poster directly but more of what was posted and, for your information (and i'm being a bit of a **** here now having to say this) this is a DISCUSSION forum and if all you want are postive posts then you're in a world of your own. If anything, regulars on this forum will know from users like Colio on the general forum, the masses don't take much for news like this, he likes to post a lot of BBC news articles and you will get the same responses in those threads, news like this is cannon fodder, logically minded people will jump on it. Lastly, the thread topic was a question, opening it up for comments and debate. Do you have personal ties to Jozii? Because you're giving the impression of one sidedness.

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Betty_Swallocks
Betty_Swallocks - 03:02pm, 18th July 2016

i do agree with Pob on this behavior comes out very bad to new users at times last time Jozii did a great article he had the reply "who are you" (which pob just pointed out) i mean, just think before you post

Well to be honest Plat's question was a reasonable one. None of us knew who Jozii was. While I know all contributions to the site are most welcome, to most of us here on the forums and the regular lan party attendees Gameon is first and foremost a community. Jozii has never introduced himself to us and we knew nothing about him. Perhaps an introduction would have been nice before posting articles? It would have avoided all this unpleasantness.

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Rasher
Rasher - 03:02pm, 18th July 2016

to be fair Betty, it wasn't he had 1 or 2 post he had around 40 posts when he posted the article (the last one) and why should he HAVE to introduced him self he writes (regular) for GameOn mag (since issue 1) if people had taken the time to look, they would of noticed that. The community is growing and people need to see that there is more than just one group of friends on the boards and yet again, another one of his articles spoilt by off topic :(

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cloud_ds-1468850540
cloud_ds-1468850540 - 03:02pm, 18th July 2016

Rasher, I don't think we really wanted it to get like this either, I want to keep the idea what I said was to be taken light heartedly. He shouldn't have to introduce himself no, but it's just a cold name to me, no personality behind the articles, so that's why people wonder who he is :) Anyone who helps out GO likes this is definatly a hero, I doubt anyone here wants the opposite. We'll have to see how the rest of his articles play out, after all... controversy sparks interest!

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POBmaestro-1428097466
POBmaestro-1428097466 - 03:02pm, 18th July 2016

When you read a news post on a website or read an article in a magazine (PC Gamer for example), you don't need to know the person. Perhaps people see GameOn as just a community, which is fine, but I see it as a lot more than that. A news, preview and review site for starters. But anyhow this thread has gone far too off topic. Tempers have flared and people have probably said things they regret. The ironic thing actually is that Jozii doesn't even post these threads. I doubt he even know's they're here :)

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samsam-1468850541
samsam-1468850541 - 03:02pm, 18th July 2016

I don't really think so, although a lot depends upon the gamer himself. It depends on the mental conditioning and the nature of the game. dellusional ppl tend to think of themselves as saviors, thus the violence. That's why I stick to casual online stuff than hardcore places. I stumbled upn the cool site gameon.co.uk and found it a safe haven!!;u11 :u03

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Jozii-1468850516
Jozii-1468850516 - 03:02pm, 18th July 2016 Author

Alright, this is both annoying and funny at the same time :P First off, no, I rarely do anything on the GameOn forum, though it is a great place! I came to the GameOn mag to write, and I'm happy with that :) Second, thank you POP and Rasher :D But I'm not upset about anything and this whole confusion is probably due to us handling it the wrong way rather than anyone posting "bad" comments. Can't blame the readers. Third, I read everything you say here, since my first column. I just don't comment but let things develop on their own :P Perhaps it would have been nice if it was clearer who I was or if these article threads could only be accessed through the links in the actual mag, and it's sad that things got the way they are. But as I said, I'm not upset about anything. And finally, for the sake of argument and to get back on topic, I really like what Boff said: "Does gameing cause violent behaviour, well if you removed the "action" from the action gamer, he apparently seeks it somewhere else i.e. if I don't get my laptop back soon, voilence may start spilling on the streets of stockholm" That's a good point. But, to see another side of it, if there weren't any videogames, if people spent their time on other mentally calming activities that don't involve virtual violence, wouldn't that be better? If you, to stick to the example, didn't own a laptop to begin with and had another hobby instead, wouldn't that be "better" for you? Because, like it or not, violence in games must do *something* to our minds, or am I wrong?

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Colio-1428100791
Colio-1428100791 - 03:02pm, 18th July 2016

violence existed before computer games and hollywood.

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POBmaestro-1428097466
POBmaestro-1428097466 - 03:02pm, 18th July 2016

Something to read and fuel the debate if your interested: [url]http://www.edge-online.com/news/japan-gamer-study-claims-aggressive-behavior[/url] I was going to do a news story on this recently, but found it a too common and touchy subject to bother with ;)

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